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MAKING MOVIES IS HARD Podcast | Ep 297 Ian And Eshom Nelms

From DIY Filmmaking to Directing Mel Gibson and Walton Goggins in Fatman w/ Ian and Eshom Nelms!



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Episode 297 – From DIY Filmmaking to Directing Mel Gibson and Walton Goggins in Fatman w/ Ian and Eshom Nelms!

Published by Alrik on February 11, 2021

This week Liz and Alrik have an EPIC conversation with writer/directing duo Ian and Eshom Nelms about their rise from shooting their first feature for $1500 all the way to writing and directing Fatman, a high concept action/christmas movie starring Mel Gibson and Walton Goggins. This conversation is one of our longests but Ian and Eshom drop a ton of amazing knowledge and teachable experiences into the episode. We hear about working with reps, securing feature jobs and the intense grind it takes to write and direct six feature films across a span of over fifteen years. After the main interview is done stick around for a wonderful Get Shorty with writer/Director Kyle Kenyon about his short film Dad Pals and another installment of You’ve Got Mail!

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Jennica Schwartzman, Managing Partner at Purpose Pictures Productions, Co-Founder of Little Sister Entertainment, and a member of The Producers Guild of America, SAG/AFTRA, and Moms-In-Film LA, loves tackling a project from idea to distribution as a multi-hyphenate actress-writer-producer. Jennica has been published in the Producers Guild Magazine "Produced By," Legacy Arts Magazine, Paragon Road, Bustle, and she is a guest writer for the acclaimed entertainment industry websites,, Artemis Motion Pictures' #WomenKickAss Forum, and She has been invited to speak on film festival panels and is a workshop teacher for The International Family Film Festival's Road Scholars intergenerational filmmaking camp. Jennica has produced ten feature film releases. Jennica and her husband /producing partner /writing partner Ryan have two kiddos and reside in Hollywood.

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